Daniel John Lee Preacher Watch Revisited: February 2011

Monday, February 28, 2011

Random, but... relevant:
http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/archive/index.php/t-50210.html

"Timely Questions about Domestic Violence"

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> Posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen on [10 May
> 2009 10:19AM]
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> As I am sure most of you are aware now, Annika for years
> dealt with abuse at the hands of her husband. I think the
> nature of the beliefs and culture amongst the preachers and
> their families allowed it to go on far longer than it would
> have otherwise. I will explain below, with knowledge I have
> of this particular case.
>
> An abuser almost always seeks to separate his or her spouse
> from their friends and family. In this way, there is no
> counter to his or her control of the abused spouse. In this
> case, as Annika's husband was ordering her to no longer
> have contact with her family, Annika sought the advice from
> the wife of another preacher. This wife, true to her own
> beliefs, advised Annika that her husband is the head of the
> household and should be obeyed. Annika took her counsel to
> heart, and obeyed her husband, cutting herself off from her
> family, therecy extending her nightmare situation for years.
>
> I am a survivor of domestic abuse. I recognize the signs. A
> few years ago, I realized, merely from the words he typed,
> that this man was abusing Annika, and probably their
> children. I quietly approached someone in the preaching
> community about my concerns. While I trust that he was being
> sincere in his concern, and believed me that there could be
> a problem, there was some biblical injunction to making such
> accusations about a person without 'hard' proof (I
> do not remember the exact verse(s) cited). Therefore, he was
> not allowed to raise the alarm more widely in the preaching
> community.
>
> I tried then to reach Annika, but was unsuccessful because
> her husband was controlling all of her communications.
>
> As we all know, the belief about obeying your husband was
> also used many years ago to twist the mind of Andrea Yates.
> This was a horrific tragedy, also connected to the preaching
> community. Again, as with Annika, there was a preacher who
> had taken your beliefs to the extreme and used them to abuse
> another.
>
> I realize that these abusers are the exception, rather than
> the norm, amongst the families of preachers. I have spent
> time among you all, and while I do not agree with your
> beliefs, I have seen the many loving, functional families
> involved.
>
> However, I think there is a problem here that needs to be
> solved. How can the preaching community make itself better
> at recognizing the warning signs of abuse? How can it make
> itself better at monitoring and addressing that kind of
> situation?
>
> I ask, because even as I type, I know of one more wife of a
> preacher that is in an abusive situation. And so far,
> nothing is being done.
>
> I am writing this not to blame, but to create awareness. I
> know most of you well enough to know that you cherish family
> as the center of your lives (second only to god). How can
> this be fixed?
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> .................
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> Posted by Dave Bronstein on [10 May 2009 05:43PM]
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> the preaching community posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen
> on [10 May 2009 10:19AM]
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> Jennifer, thanks for your courageous involvement in abuse
> cases.
>
> I don't know if the problem can be fixed. We are
> fortunate today to have widespread communication like the
> internet. When anyone first learns of a wife being
> controlled, then beaten, we can approach her, her church
> community and if necessary, the police. We gather all
> evidence.
>
> Not all fundamentalist preachers abuse women. Smock,
> despite a smug streak towards women, would never harm one.
> He's decent to wife and kids. Most religious men are
> good..... some Humanist/Atheist men can be pigs too. It
> swings both ways.
>
> (It's Muslims who scare me. Qu'ran MANDATES
> wife-beating, contempt for females and overall male violence
> including honor killings, decapitation, terrorism, etc. God
> help females trapped in the Muslim world).
>
> Best we can do is get the message out-- no matter what
> religion women chose, they need NEVER tolerate abuse in
> marriage. Let them know help is out there. Teach your
> daughters to recognize signs of potential abusers...
> especially those who manipulate Bible passages to enforce
> blind obedience to some nut's whims. Get them educated
> with job skills, private bank account, etc., pre-nup
> contract.
>
> This Preacher Saga could almost be documented for public tv
> and police training videos. Bet Portland is sick of him.
> ..................
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> Posted by Dave Bronstein on [10 May 2009 06:09PM]
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> the preaching community posted by Heathen-Inside on [10 May
> 2009 04:31PM]
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> Heathen, you're right that religious books/traditions
> have subjugated females for centuries, often with horrible
> results: legalized wife-beating, denial of civil rights and
> education, even burning at the stake for witchcraft during
> the 'Age of Faith'.
>
> Still, it can work both ways -- provided religious men
> function within the modern world where beating is no longer
> tolerated. For example, the late Jerry Falwell respected the
> women of his family. They were high achievers. Jerry was a
> good guy though I thoroughly rejected the Bible-thumping.
>
> Often preachers who abuse women are on the margins anyhow,
> like that nut (Woroniecki) who badgered Andrea Yates into
> killing her babies. Or the Mormon prophet who kidnapped that
> blonde kid. Or the Porland Nut who posted here. These guys
> barely hold a job and live in a psycho-world.
>
> Imagine no religion... would we men be kinder? Maybe ... if
> we're influenced enough by humanism, compassion, etc. We
> got a long way to go. Meanwhile, plenty of men who espouse
> Atheism, who'd mock Smock's preaching, speak of
> women with the C word and boast they live only to F.
> ..........................
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> Posted by webbie on [10 May 2009 01:44PM]
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> the preaching community posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen
> on [10 May 2009 10:19AM]
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> Jennifer,
>
> I have dealt with Daniel off and on over the years. The
> preaching community did not turn impotent in the worsening
> of the problem. Several of us, on more than one occasion,
> attempted to reason with Daniel concerning his aberrant
> behaviour. I tried at least three times. But as with any
> other sociopath, Daniel would no more listen to us than to
> anyone else. We ourselves were turned away, complete with
> curses and judgments. The preaching community has disavowed
> Daniel for years. His sociopathic delusion is demonic and
> holds his mind in a steel trap.
>
> What do you suggest we might have done? None of us were
> personaly aware of any actual evidence of wrongdoing. Even
> in the world, action will not be taken on the basis of
> second hand information. If you were the one with first hand
> information sufficient to meet the test for legal
> intervention, then you were the one with the responsibility
> to intervene, not us. We can not discipline someone unless
> they are submitting to our authority. We are not like the
> state whose authority is backed by soldiers, guns and tanks.
> He had already been 'thrown out' from our midst for
> some time. What could we have threatened him with? Being
> thrown out?
>
> Bro Cope
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> Posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen on [10 May
> 2009 03:30PM]
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> I agree with your assessment of him. And I know he was
> disavowed and 'thrown out.' But didn't that
> serve to isolate Annika more?
>
> Do you make it a habit of only intervening when there is
> evidence sufficient for legal intervention? Because, in the
> case of domestic violence, such evidence is rare. It is
> almost always a matter of 'where there's smoke,
> there's fire.' Abusers are usually very careful.
>
> No, he was not submitting to your authority. However, he
> must submit to legal authorities. Even though I did not have
> enough legal proof to have him convicted myself, this is
> what investigators are for.
>
> I did, indeed, intervene. I have been doing so, in concert
> with others who refused to merely cut off contact with him,
> for over 2 years now behind the scenes. We have been
> collecting his writings and behaviors and disseminating it
> to authorities and others involved. It is the reason why the
> authorities have gotten involved. We have kept at it for
> YEARS.
>
> You cannot simply wash your hands of it if you knew there
> was, in all likelihood, trouble!
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> Posted by Halacha on [10 May 2009 08:27PM]
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> the preaching community posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen
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> Hello Jennifer:
>
> How can an Internet community protect others? How do they
> KNOW someone is being abused? If they don't actually
> witness it, they aren't a witness. If you didn't see
> it, taste it, hear it or smell it, it doesn't hold
> water.
> How does a community like this hold a person accountable
> when they refuse to submit to any authority, always claiming
> their authority is no one but God and God told them this or
> that? How does the Internet community prevent the spouse
> from becoming isolated? What control do they have? What are
> the parameters?
>
> I never knew so many people were involved with this
> particular family until I began receiving emails from people
> I didn't know. I'm actually kind of glad...I've
> met some really neat people through several years of putting
> up with it all. There was/is a lot of good I see in all of
> this.
> I knew from letters I received from Annika way back in
> 2002. I knew how to read between the lines and then I met
> her in April, 2003 and knew for sure just by her body
> language.
>
> Another question...sometimes it takes a very long time for
> an abused person to get the help they need...they themselves
> refuse it and back the abuser. I know women (sorry, men) who
> have suffered and endured abuse for many, many years before
> they get their heads back on semi-straight, and then it
> takes them many more to get their on straight. Thinking of
> one Christian woman who has endured her husband's abuse
> for more than 20 years. She believes she is to take it and
> submit to her husbands every whim. 'Wives obey your
> husbands' seems to be all anyone remembers. They
> conveniently forget...'as is appropriate in the
> Lord.'
> Every religious organization or denomination has its share
> of wackadoos, I'm sure. Some more than others...
>
> I have several problems with the preaching community as
> I've known it. I admit I haven't had much exposure
> to it because I ran from it. I also admit I don't know
> the preachers you have used as examples in your posts here.
> I may just have been so lucky (blessed??) to have met some
> of the nut jobs instead. I'm not impressed, but my
> beliefs are a bit different than what I've seen of
> theirs, anyhow.
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> Posted by webbie on [10 May 2009 04:25PM]
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> You cannot simply wash your hands of it if you knew there
> was, in all likelihood, trouble!
>
> There is a line like a super highway between suspecting or
> thinking there might be problems because of your personal
> experience tells you so, and knowing. You may assume we
> 'knew' or should have 'known' but it is just
> your bias based upon your experience. You are predisposed to
> assume your gut feel is the same as evidence. We on the
> other hand are constrained to always assume the best unless
> we have personal knowledge to the opposite. Your position,
> and your criticism of us is a form of bigotry. You assume
> fault where there is none. We had no knowledge of Daniel
> abusing his wife. Because you think we 'ought' to
> have known is just a projection of fault, an assertion of
> supposed fault, not a statement of fact. It isn't good
> enough to assert blame.
>
> wm
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> Posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen on [10 May
> 2009 04:46PM]
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> I am not trying to be mean here. No bigotry - as you could
> read before, I said that this is the exception, and that the
> vast majority are loving, functional families. My statement
> means that preaching families are this way despite believing
> in things that I don't.
>
> I am sure that my personal experience and study of abuse
> had to do with me identifying it early. However, it was not
> merely a gut feeling. There was already plenty of evidence
> of his beliefs about family roles and expectations, together
> with the eyewitness accounts of those who had been around
> them, that led to this conclusion.
>
> If you say that you had absolutely no inkling that there
> was abuse going on, Bro, then I do believe you. But if this
> is the case, then what must happen in order to lead you to
> believe that there is danger of abuse going on?
>
> When your beliefs are lived as you and Jed and Ruben live
> them, then they lead to warm, loving families with no more
> or less problems than other families. What I am saying is
> that your belief system is one that can easily be hijacked
> to serve the whims of abusive individuals, due to the power
> that it gives one member of the household.
>
> I can think of four instances of family abuse in your
> community off the top of my head - and I will not name
> names, but each is a tragedy, and in each case, the
> community did nothing to intervene. What I am asking is,
> isn't there a way for the members of the preaching
> community to educate themselves and become more aware of the
> danger signs?
> .................................
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> Posted by oscar on [12 May 2009 02:07PM]
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> Chris Barr knew and witnessed problems when the subject
> person went to visit him around 2007 or so but I don't
> know if he conveyed that to anyone, and also there are state
> lines that interfere with reporting anything.
>
> The problem with 'the one who cannot be named' is
> that he would have used SOMETHING, anything, to seek his ego
> gratification and for a theatrical stage. It could have been
> anarchist politics; it could have been a heavy metal band
> (if he could play some instrument); it could have been
> obsessive stock market wheeler-dealing or some other kind of
> 'performance art' - but the skewing of events to
> make out that he was 'winning,' would be there,
> along with the claim of perfectionism and the projecting of
> his own vices into others. That is what he came with, and
> none of the street preachers put it there. It also explains
> why he never does what normal people do, which is to review
> and reassess his success in reaching his goals (ie. if this
> isn't working, should I revise something?)
>
> In retrospect, the unnamed person just latched onto street
> preaching as a way to 'be seen,' and blended it with
> sinless doctrine and with the Messianic movement because
> those things fit his needs. Like the original street
> preachers, the Messianic groups had no idea their search for
> Jewish roots would be fused into the irrational bundle (they
> just provided 'costume' and bits of distinctive
> celebrations and language to the program).
>
> I suppose one could argue that the Messianic emphasis on
> Torah nevertheless came across as stronger than Jesus, and
> therefore they are also partly 'responsible.' But
> I'm not actually arguing that anyone is
> 'responsible' for an extremist using these
> influences. I would just like to reflect on one element of
> street preaching that triggered this person, who again I
> stress had pre-existing problems. This is not about the open
> air venue or the theology, but about the 'attack
> mode' of delivery. And since the person not named could
> never discipline himself, the attack format fit perfectly
> into a mind that needed a way to avoid the rigors of concern
> for others and the ultimate effect of poor choices when
> packaging a message (any message). Notice that Jesus
> attacked authorities but was fairly gentle with the masses,
> even sinners. However, the unnamed person thought he had a
> way to be an all times everywhere 'bad boy' and get
> a 'free pass.' Maybe a re-evaluation
> of shouting at people and making a scene out of faith
> rather than an attraction is overdue. Intervening in the
> troubled family life could have been too much to expect, but
> admitting how that operating motif affected an immature and
> unstable mind is something else again, because it eventually
> rippled out into a huge avalanche. And if it was negative in
> such hands, is it really all that great at any time?
>
> In the end, the one who cannot be named hasn't grasped
> the simple fact that he has not succeeded in winning even
> ONE 'convert' following 'Torah' as he puts
> it, not after 10 years of wanting to street preach even more
> than support his family. Surely calmer minds, even if they
> have a few victories, have to think at least some about
> unintended consequences (although I know they also do more
> things in their overall ministry). And I do submit this with
> all due respect. We just have to be careful that because we
> know are 'sincere,' we don't loose sight of
> whether we are necessarily that effective.
>
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> .....................
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> Posted by Dave Bronstein on [12 May 2009 06:26PM]
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> Could this guy's family force a psychiatric evaluation
> and/or commitment to a hospital?
>
> This is not to violate anybody's rights. But you have
> to balance his rights against any harm to himself or others.
> He again got fired from a job, sent to jail, custody battle,
> bills piling up, maybe no permanent home, etc. An explosive
> mixture for an unstable man. Before he again attempts
> marriage and 10 more babies, or starting some cult, he
> should be restrained.
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> Posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen on [10 May
> 2009 09:51AM]
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> The Man Who Cannot Be Named sent an email to his mother
> telling her to relay a message to his ex-wife stating that
> she had 24 hours to meet his demands. He reposted this email
> on my Facebook page for all to see. He has been arrested and
> is now being held in the county jail. Last time he broke the
> restraining order, he was held for 30 days. Let us hope, for
> the sake of his ex and children, that he is held for longer
> this time.
> ..............
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> Posted by Dave Bronstein on [10 May 2009 05:23PM]
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> Sounds like a psycho terrorist -- wanting demands met.
>
> How are his ex-wife and 6 kids coping? Somebody has to
> pitch in and pay the bills. Can't imagine the
> preacher's job will be held open while he's
> incarcerated. (Personally I've never even hired a man
> with an arrest record, let alone hold a job open).
> ...............
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> Posted by Jennifer Delaney Nielsen on [10 May
> 2009 06:52PM]
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> He had already lost his job about a week before his arrest.
> I called his boss and verified it myself. I do not know the
> reason for the termination, but I cannot imagine his normal
> modus operandi would be welcome in the workplace.
>
> I have not asked her how the bills are being paid. She has
> a lot of family surrounding her, and she is back in college,
> so she is working towards a better future.
> ..............
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> Posted by Rodney Timmons on [12 May 2009 01:45AM]
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> I talked to the VP of NetBiz last week, he was let go apirl
> 30th on a thursday. I then called and broke the news to his
> wife.
> ............
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> Posted by Dave Bronstein on [10 May 2009 07:16PM]
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> A young woman with 6 kids, no breadwinner husband, has her
> hands full. Glad the family helps, for the children's
> sake.
>
> Still, it's unfair to demand grandparents re-enter the
> workforce to support 6 kids sired by a psycho. Daniel
> created that mess, he should pay. I'd be in court suing
> his sorry butt for every cent, and slam him in prison for
> any assault and battery, mental abuse, harassment, etc.

"Wanted: A New Wife" / "Found One!"

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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [03 May 2009 09:59PM]
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Jed,

Hope it is ok at least to advertise for a new wife on your forum since I figure alot of Godly women might come here.

My picture as of today, 5/3/09 is right here:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=207759&id=1629763231

Please, if you'd like the honor of being married to a Messianic Jew who does open air preaching, and has six wonderful children ages 8 all the way down to 8 months, please, don't hesitate to contact me. I am needing to secure a wife very soon as I will need a help mate as I go through this custody battle.

Thank you!

And please, if you are female, only contact me if you love Jesus more than anything else in the world. I don't have time to mess with silly women.

Sincerely,
Apostle Daniel
www.TorahandSpirit.com

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Posted by oscar on [04 May 2009 07:43AM]
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Besides having 'reinterpreted' his total loss of custody as some kind of 'victory in court,' to get custody reversed, Daniel has the multiple tiny problems of mental illness (no, the people in child services didn't say he wasn't a narcissist, just that they didn't need to hold the kids as wards of the state any longer)...plus his past full of restraining orders, his time in the county poke, and a history of unstable living conditions/income. What woman, even if she could tolerate Daniel's personality and all his stipulations (including raising kids not her own), would buy into THAT? And why would any judge be impressed with the sanity of the new combination : Daniel plus a person of such poor judgement?
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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 01:08PM]
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As of last night, after I posted this, the position has been filled.

I plan to ask this woman's hand in marriage on 5/31/09, Pentecost, and to marry her in October of 2009 for the Jewish Wedding Feast of Tabernacles.

Thank you for all who were considering an application to be my wife.

In Messiah,
Apostle Daniel

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Posted by David New on [04 May 2009 01:32PM]
In Reply to: Position Filled posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 01:08PM]

Is this name it claim it or do you actually have a candidate?

If the latter, does she know that she is going to be your wife or are you just going to club her and drag her to your cave?

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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 02:01PM]
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I need to ask her parents permission first, but she does not have a problem with me proposing to her on 5/31/09.

We shall see if Yah brings the desires of my heart to pass.

This is a REAL flesh and blood person, a Daughter of Yisrael I have been friends with since July of 2008.

Sincerely,
Daniel Lee
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Posted by anon on [04 May 2009 08:51AM]
In Reply to: Polygamy phase posted by anon on [03 May 2009 09:23AM]

didn't you propose to 2 women named Dorothy and Stephanie in 2007 while married to Annika?

Here is the letter publically sent to many of us.
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Oh, I read it alright. But the Devil falsly accuses us all. But, Daniel, my former friend, I have a truthful accusation against you. I have said that I wouldn't mention these things to people, as it would probably ruin your ministry. But, Daniel, you have gone far enough. The lies you told and possibly continue to tell will be revealed, for I will tell the truth to these people. So far, you have been 'shown' to be blameless. But you haven't been. And that's Yah's honest truth.

Apostles dont lie. How dare you call yourself an APOSTLE of Jesus Christ. Why don't you tell other people about me and Stephanie? About how you lied to make us think you were someone you weren't so that you could feed us your interpretation of Scripture: The following and commitment to the Old Testament Law. About how you lied that you were single and that your own wife was involved with it!

Pro 12:17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

Daniel, You proposed to stephanie. Now she's divorced and living in sin. This is your fault, for you deceived her, broke her heart ON PURPOSE, and to this day, she has not gotten over it.

Here's about me: You lied to me about being single. I romantically liked you so much during those two weeks, and it took a long time to get over it, praise God I'm over it now. But you lied to me about being single because you wanted me to follow Torah, THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS EXACTLY!! And to think, your wife, YOUR WIFE was involved with this.
Daniel, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Your lies have gone far enough! Now your firstborn son is learning your ways.

A liar cannot stop telling lies, unless he has repented. And an apostle must be blameless. You are not blameless daniel. Yes you repented of these things, but you still utter lies, and now you have another person hooked onto your lies, whereas he searches your logs and not the Word of God. We dont need a commentary! We need the Spirit to guide us unto all truth, not DANIEL LEE!!

How DARE you call yourself an apostle of God! You aren't qualified. Repent and remove this holy and esteemed title from your name. May God give you mercy.

I do love you in Christ our Lord, Daniel. I really do. But calling yourself an apostle is the limit to where I will tolerate this insanity.

I bid you God's blessings and continued chastisement, for He does not chastise illegitmate children, but His own.

Your Sister in Christ,
Dorothy

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Posted by anon on [04 May 2009 11:55AM]
In Reply to: Polygamy part 2 posted by anon on [04 May 2009 08:51AM]

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: hahahaha

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Ok, first of all.....it's WRONG to capitalize a contraction. So, in the case of, 'Although, I'm not sure about your reading.....' The 'I'm is incorrectly used. C'mon, you are supposed to be a grown woman, so shouldnt you already know this? Secondly, You're really not supposed to begin a sentence with a contraction. Again, you should know this.

Now, I would like to end with this.

danjlion7: you have turned my forum into a circus

Hobbit 4 foot 9: i know right
Hobbit 4 foot 9: but, it wasnt all me

danjlion7: how old are you?

Hobbit 4 foot 9: im sure
danjlion7: really
Hobbit 4 foot 9: a lot of people

Hobbit 4 foot 9: really don't like you
danjlion7: this I know
danjlion7: im not stupid
Hobbit 4 foot 9: hence the comments i actually lol'd at
Hobbit 4 foot 9: about your wife
Hobbit 4 foot 9: how old am i really
Hobbit 4 foot 9: im 10
Hobbit 4 foot 9: no wait, im 14
Hobbit 4 foot 9: no wait, im 13
Hobbit 4 foot 9: no wait
Hobbit 4 foot 9: maybe im 18
Hobbit 4 foot 9: hahaha
danjlion7: will u be my second wife?
danjlion7: please
danjlion7: lol
Hobbit 4 foot 9: um, thats disgusting
Hobbit 4 foot 9: even as a joke
danjlion7: lol
Hobbit 4 foot 9: annika....it screams, 'omg, indian reservation!'
Hobbit 4 foot 9: so, you actually prposed to someone else when you were married
Hobbit 4 foot 9: thats not too much of a shocker
danjlion7: im proprosing to you now
danjlion7: marry me
danjlion7: idiot
Hobbit 4 foot 9: hahaha
Hobbit 4 foot 9: youre weird
Hobbit 4 foot 9: i think youre drunk
danjlion7: lol
danjlion7: you will marry me
danjlion7: if it is the last thing
danjlion7: you do
Hobbit 4 foot 9: hahahahahahahahah
Hobbit 4 foot 9: hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hobbit 4 foot 9: ahahhahaha
Hobbit 4 foot 9: ohhh snap, brb
Hobbit 4 foot 9: pshthahahahhaahhaahahnoreallyhHhHhhaaaaaaaaahahahh
Hobbit 4 foot 9: so, does your wife know you prpose mock proposals to teenage girls over aim
Hobbit 4 foot 9: haHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
danjlion7: yes
Hobbit 4 foot 9: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Hobbit 4 foot 9: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hobbit 4 foot 9: ew ew ew ew ew ew
Hobbit 4 foot 9: youre sick
Hobbit 4 foot 9: so is your wife
Hobbit 4 foot 9: you know, thats very unhealthy
Hobbit 4 foot 9: so, were you ever married to two ppl
danjlion7: not yet
danjlion7: but im determined that it be hobbit and annaika!
danjlion7: lol
Hobbit 4 foot 9: that
Hobbit 4 foot 9: you dont even know how to spell
Hobbit 4 foot 9: your wife's name
danjlion7: whatever
Hobbit 4 foot 9: have you evenconsidered the fact that i might be underaged
Hobbit 4 foot 9: you are a worthless
Hobbit 4 foot 9: piece of tripe
danjlion7: grr
Hobbit 4 foot 9: youve seriously got a screw loose somewhere
danjlion7: make your stupid font bigger
danjlion7: idiot
Hobbit 4 foot 9: no, worthless piece of impoverished something or another
Hobbit 4 foot 9: go buy glasses
Hobbit 4 foot 9: how can your wife biblically accept that you want more than one wife
Hobbit 4 foot 9: and also, how can you justify wanting more than one wifedanjlion7

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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 12:51PM]
In Reply to: Journal, April 29-May 2 posted by Jed Smock on [04 May 2009 10:50AM]
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Great report, Jed!

Could you please remove all these stupid posts about my pass. I am tired of the lies and this is not the place for people to be speaking lies against me about my past.

Thanks,
Bro Daniel
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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 06:17PM]
In Reply to: Journal, April 29-May 2 posted by webbie on [04 May 2009 04:40PM]
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I have nothing to hide.

I am sinless.

I will refute all lies posted against me.

I am sinless. My x wife is wicked.

I will gain sole legal custody of all 6 of my children.

I will replace my wicked x wife with a lover of Christ.

Annika will perish in her sins with no one to mourn for her.

I stand by these words as coming directly from YHVH, -- YahShua who is the very Image of abba.

In Messiah,
Bro Daniel
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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 01:03PM]
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Greetings all in the Matchless Love of YahShua!

That I have to take time out of my work day at Google to address this is ABSURD

1. I have stated over and over again that unless Annika got an audible Voice from Yah, I would NEVER consider polygamy. I have stayed true to my word. Now that Annika has wickedly divorced me, obviously I will never be considering polygamy ever.

2. The chats posted were me shooting the bull with a wicked sinner -- Ken Jones taught me this technique at Iowa State University in 2000.

3. I did hit Annika with a wooden spoon because I was angry with her. I hit her on the thigh. I FULLY repented of his and even Annika herself testified to my face and my pastor that I had fully repented for this.

I am sinless, in love with Jesus, my conscience is CLEAR and I exalt the letter and spirit of the Torah of Moses.

My good works testify that I come from the Father.

Jesus Christ in the flesh is the very image of the Father.

In Messiah,
Bro Daniel
www.TorahandSpirit.com

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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [05 May 2009 01:40AM]
In Reply to: Rebuttal to Polygamy and Lies Against Me posted by Rodney Timmons on [05 May 2009 12:47AM]
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LOL!!!!

ROFL!!!!!!

Thus saith Yahshua -- 'Rodney, you will NEVER cause Daniel Lee to lose his job. For I, YHVH, am the Only One who can ever take Daniel Lee's job. And you, Rodney, are a devil headed for the Lake of Fire.'

PS -- I work at Netbiz which is a RESELLER FOR GOOGLE.

So, in fact, I do work for Google.

Rodney is a Class A idiot.
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Posted by oscar on [05 May 2009 08:42AM]
In Reply to: Prophecy for Rodney Timmons posted by Daniel John Lee on [05 May 2009 01:40AM]
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D Lee says: 'I work at Netbiz which is a RESELLER FOR GOOGLE.
So, in fact, I do work for Google.'

Uh, this is really too stupid to answer, but hey, let's contact google for a Lee reference. See how that works...they will never have heard of him. Better not try that on a resume, anybody. By that logic, anybody who works at a textile mill works for the fashion designer. Everybody who tends cattle works for the dairy product factory and multiple grocery retailers. And we all work for the government. Hey, I'm gonna say I work for NASA. Or maybe the wildlife service.
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Posted by Halacha on [05 May 2009 04:54AM]
In Reply to: Prophecy for Rodney Timmons posted by Daniel John Lee on [05 May 2009 01:40AM]

Aw geez, Daniel, why do you do this? Everyone knows you're a false prophet. When you react like this...to anyone and everyone who even tries to love you and help you, it makes you look like the idiot. Have a little self-control.
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Posted by Dave Bronstein on [04 May 2009 06:33PM]
In Reply to: Rebuttal to Polygamy and Lies Against Me posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 01:03PM]
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Why were you unable to control your rage and ended up beating your wife? Bet you wouldn't hit a colleague at work. Cowards pick on women.
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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 06:35PM]
In Reply to: Uncontrolled anger posted by Dave Bronstein on [04 May 2009 06:33PM]
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I am ashamed to admit, I did this. But I repented, my x-wife accepted this repentence as did my elders and pastor.

Stop bringing up my past sins for has not YHVH put them far from me? As far is the east is from the west.

If you bring up my past sins one more time, I will pray Yah strikes you down with cancer.

In Messiah,
Apostle Daniel
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Posted by Dave Bronstein on [05 May 2009 04:53PM]
In Reply to: Uncontrolled anger posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 06:35PM]
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Your threats are entertaining Lee but Yah told me He is weary of vengeful requests: Kill this guy, smite that one. You are getting on His nerves. ooooo.... watch it.

Why cancer? Yah promised to smite Bronstein with hypothrombinemia followed by dermatomucosomyositis and warts just as He will smite Lee with hummeroods.

Repent and Yah will heal your pinholes (seen in certain brain disorders).
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Posted by anon on [04 May 2009 06:37PM]
In Reply to: Uncontrolled anger posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 06:35PM]

one good thing about civil gov't....God put them in place to punish evil doers.

repentance or not.

daniel is reaping what he has sown.

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Posted by RbM on [04 May 2009 01:58PM]
In Reply to: Rebuttal to Polygamy and Lies Against Me posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 01:03PM]
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'Ken Jones taught me this technique at Iowa State University in 2000.'

Ken Jones? Yea, I remember Jones from back in 92. He asked me to

escort him to the urinal because he was concerned he might get mugged.

I can see how you two could get along so well.

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Posted by RbM on [04 May 2009 01:58PM]
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'Ken Jones taught me this technique at Iowa State University in 2000.'

Ken Jones? Yea, I remember Jones from back in 92. He asked me to

escort him to the urinal because he was concerned he might get mugged.

I can see how you two could get along so well.

Preaching @ PSU 5.4.09 -- Revival Rages On!!!!
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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 06:13PM]
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Dear all,

Joyous and 'rainy Oregon' Greetings in the Matchless Love of YahShua!

Through the Favor and Grace of YHVH, I was able to arrive at PSU around 1pm this afternoon. It was drizzly and rainy, and rather cold, but within 15 minutes, I was able to gather a small crowd of around 30 students.

A black pentecostal woman who claims to love Christ but refuses to obey every jot and tittle of Torah manifested a devlish laughing and spirit of lust. I soundly rebuked her, commanding her to become a REAL Christ love and keep Torah even as I do. This rebuke caused the crowd to swell from 15 people to around 30-40 people.

I contended with another young man who claimed to love Christ but was hooked on porn. I roundly condemned his hypocricy and eventually he softened, and stuck around to ask many many many questions.

Another devil possessed man who claimed he did not need the Bible, although he loved 'the christ', I withstood to his face, commanding him to obey the whole Torah or he would perish. He became so VIOLENTLY ANGRY with me, he shoved me hard. I warned him that his own works testified that he is ruled by devils, not by Yah.

Eventually he softened, as I continued to hammer him with the need to keep Torah -- the whole Torah.

Finally this devil possessed man completely broke, and he offered to pay me $100 if I would agree to come inside Portland State on Sunday afternoon, and use a microphone to address a gathered assembly of Portland State college students -- defending the veracity of the Jewish Torah. I agreed to be paid the $100. He took my name and phone number and this official Portland State meeting should occur either this next Sunday afternoon or the following. The is causing me great excitement. WHAT FURTHER PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED THAT A FULL FLEDGED HOLY SPIRIT REVIVAL IS SWEEPING THE CAMPUS?????

I received a prophetic word for two young women, urging them to seek the King, for today is the day of their salvation and after today, they will have NO HOPE of ever finding salvation.

I rebuked Muslims for their wicked hypocricy of modern Islam, claiming to love the Torah of Moses yet REFUSING to obey the torah of Moses. One Muslim woman in a burkha I admonished to obey Torah out of a love for allah, and she smiled at me. HallaluYAH!!! I only use Allah, because in the Christian-Arabic Bible, 'allah' is used in place of YHVH. Their own Koran teaches them to heed the Torah of Moses! I, of course, unlike Muslims, believe Jesus Christ in the flesh IS THE VERY IMAGE OF ALLAH.

The rain began to pour after the 1st hour, and I became very cold. The rain started pounding so hard, I lost my crowd. My Bible was drenched. A young man named Kelly, who stuttered, wants to seek Torah and he gave his name and number. As I discipled him in the rain, a young woman named Kristine approached me and said, 'I have seen your preaching her for 8 years, so here.' She gave me a giant ice cream with skittles. It was delicous. I blessed her and she, too, wants to attend our erev shabbat party coming this Friday night at my house.

Kelly and I went inside the Memorial building where I continued to magnify Torah for him. One wicked lesbian screamed at me to get off the campus, and I told her, 'No! You filthy lesbian, GET OFF MY CAMPUS NOW!' She fled but she also called the security. The head security guard told me if I ever say that to a lesbian again, I will be trespassed out of the building. After this, Kelly and I continued our Torah discussion and why animal sacrifices will return and only the anti christ devil will try to stop them.

I eventually returned outdoors, but it was still raining. I lifted my voice, exalting the letter and spirit of Torah, but the rain was so hard, I soon became drenched, wet and shivering. I felt like I might even be getting sick.

At just after 3pm I departed the campus, pleased that I had drawn a small crowd despite the rain, and pleased that now I am going to have an official meeting which will pay me $100 to allow me to exalt the Torah to gathered students inside PSU on a Sunday afternoon.

Truly, the Revival of 2009 is raging on . . .

All glory goes unto YahShua!!!

Also, I want to personally thank the Messiah for guiding me to a Daughter of Yisrael who has agreed to let me to propose to her on Pentecost. She may even allow me to marry her by Tabernacles of 2009. Also, I have figured out a legal way to gain full and sole custody of all 6 of my children. Annika is going to be very very very very upset. Yah rebuke her.

Love in Messiah,
Apostle and Prophet Daniel Yochanan Lee
www.TorahandSpirit.com

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Posted by Halacha on [05 May 2009 06:00AM]
In Reply to: Preaching @ PSU 5.4.09 -- Revival Rages On!!!! posted by Daniel John Lee on [04 May 2009 06:13PM]

'WHAT FURTHER PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED THAT A FULL FLEDGED HOLY SPIRIT REVIVAL IS SWEEPING THE CAMPUS?????'

You come to this conclusion after writing about, what, three people you screamed at? And there were 30 to 40 onlookers? There's more people than that clogging up the interstate to gawk at a minor accident.

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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [05 May 2009 09:52AM]
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Dear all,

Jed Smock wrote me a private email and has asked me to abandon this forum and never to post anything on his forum ever again.

I wanted to say goodbye to everyone.

If you want to continue to follow the Portland Revival of 2009, please look me up on facebook, or you can check out my forum at www.TorahandSpirit.com

Jed Smock, Bro Cope -- it was a pleasure.

Farewell.

In Messiah and by His Torah,
Apostle and Prophet Daniel Yochanan Lee
www.TorahandSpirit.com

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Posted by David New on [05 May 2009 10:39AM]
In Reply to: Jed Smock Has Asked Me To Leave posted by Daniel John Lee on [05 May 2009 09:52AM]
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I think that was a good decision on Jed's part. Daniel, I seriously believe you need to step away from ministry. You have some major issues and so far, your wreckless conduct has seriously damaged your life and the lives of others. I do not know what will reform you, except prison. I think that would be a great blessing for you.

In Christ,
David

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Actually David...
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Posted by Arcoss Songheart on [05 May 2009 07:08PM]
In Reply to: Jed Smock Has Asked Me To Leave posted by David New on [05 May 2009 10:39AM]
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he just got out of prison and it seems to have only accelerated his cycle

Arcoss
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Actually David...
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Posted by David New on [05 May 2009 07:11PM]
In Reply to: Actually David... posted by Arcoss Songheart on [05 May 2009 07:08PM]
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Good point.

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"Wanted: A New Wife" / "Found One!"

Daniel Lee on Jed Smock Board, 2009

Daniel 5:20 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
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Posted by Rodney Timmons on [03 May 2009 07:30PM]
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I heard Daniel before I first saw him. His bellowing reproaches of a crowd of 40 to 50 Portland State students was difficult to miss, and conversely, the jeers and heckles of his audience easily matched his sermon in volume, enthusiasm and indignation. A cursory visit to this particular section of the University's park blocks quickly reveals why Daniel evokes so much rage among his listeners: He pulls no punches in his homily, making it clear that the 'arrogant assholes,' 'whores' and 'faggots' of Portland State University are going to hell if they engage in sin (which, to Daniel specifically means breaking any one of the 613 laws of the Torah). A statement of this severity inevitably leads to a flurry of questions, fueled by sarcasm, directed towards determining what exactly, in Daniel's eyes, is sin. As expected in nearly any secular campus in America, these questions often revolve around pre-marital sex, masturbation, and drunkenness, and as Daniel
rails against the practice of these things, those less inhibited members of his audience shout phrases such as 'I love sex!,' and 'I love beer!,' and indicate their disgust with the sweeping, violent jerks of simulated masturbation. For a moment, I am in middle school again, while insults are freely exchanged (Sinner. Asshole. Hypocrite. Fuckface.) and imitators of Daniel lampoon behind him with knuckles held low and shoulders hunched, doing their best impression of an ape. He is unfazed though, and has evidently learned that sometimes, the best way to deal with an insult is to completely ignore it, and preach on.

I first talked to Daniel over my black coffee and his caffeine-free Snapple. Every time I have seen him, and this day was no exception, Daniel has worn a polo shirt and blue jeans adorned with blue, hanging fringes called tzitzis. He has a full, red beard, slicked-back hair, and piercingly blue eyes centered by unusually small pupils. With no hesitation, Daniel takes the initiative in our conversation, justifying his fiery brand of street preaching by comparing himself to the Apostle Paul and by quoting scripture (he does this a lot) that relates to conversion. His purpose in life, it appears, is to convince the world that not only did Jesus Christ come to earth to suffer a sacrificial death, but to renew the Old Covenant, to make the laws of Moses more relevant and important than they had ever been before. To Daniel, the Christians of today are guilty of gross hypocrisy in that they condemn homosexuality, yet continue to eat pork; they denounce murder,
but mix fibers of wool and cotton. It seems no matter what question I ask, Daniel has an answer prepared. No matter how obscure and irrelevant a Levitical law may be, Daniel has applied it to his life, and though I find myself disagreeing with him often, I can't deny this: the guy is passionate about his faith. 'Public preaching is an ancient Jewish tradition,' he says, and in hindsight I realize that the only differences between this conversation and Daniel's sermons is that he isn't calling me names, isn't condemning me, and is using much lower volume. Interestingly, (as I will come to realize) Daniel loves to elucidate on his own holiness, a holiness that derives wholly from the application of the Torah's laws to his own life. He eats kosher, celebrates all Jewish holidays, and when the Jewish people once again hold control over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Daniel will engage in animal sacrifice and the stoning of adulterers, homosexuals, and
witches.*

*It wasn't always this way with Daniel though.. Just seven years ago he was a self-ascribed non-denominational Christian, railing only against lives lived apart from Christ. Court records from the District of Oregon, dated September 12, 2001, indicate that Daniel's methods of proselytizing haven't changed much. Around this time, Daniel, with a small group of street preachers, had violated the public speech policy of the Oregon Arena Corporation (screaming at people in commons areas is evidently frowned upon) and had been barred from returning for a certain amount of time. According to eye witness testimony, 'Daniel preached so loudly that his voice could be heard over an African marimba band performing on a stage in the Commons. He flailed his arms about, called people in the area whores, and told them they were going to burn in hell. On another occasion, his preaching in a similar manner attracted a crowd that physically assaulted him. Plaintiff
Gathright also preached in the Commons, calling a woman a whore, a prostitute, and a daughter of Babylon, which incited a shouting match between him and the man escorting the woman.' Daniel and his equally zealous associates, citing freedom of speech abuses, filed a lawsuit against the OAC, and unsurprisingly, lost.

It was difficult, or should I say, impossible, to get him to stray from the topic of Messianic Judaism. While in my mind this was an interview, to Daniel it was an opportunity to proselytize, a chance to save yet another lost sheep who had strayed from the true teachings of Christ through the consumption of pork and the celebration of Christmas (a holiday steeped in pagan roots), among many, many other things. Even painful topics were occasions to preach, such as his divorce from his ex-wife Annika. Using this as an example of his unrelenting love of the Torah, Daniel essentially claimed that his separation from his wife was due to her unwillingness to accept his new found faith. Almost instantly, I had my suspicions that Daniel's version of events may not be quite as accurate as he purported them to be, and after learning the basic concepts of Daniel's theology, the name of his current synagogue, and enduring as much incidental spit as I could handle, I
bid Daniel goodbye with a firm handshake and a request that he preach again the next day.

His recollection of the following day's sermon, revealed through a post on his website, www.TorahandSpirit.com, raised more uncertainties about the accuracy of Daniel's memory. I had watched, with disappointment, Daniel's sermon that day. Moved by the Holy Spirit to preach love instead of hate, he expounded on the virtues of a deep, enduring adoration of Yahweh and of the rewards of living a life pleasing to God. There was little condemnation, little conflict, and none of the incendiary words Daniel seemed so comfortable doling out. The response was one of indifference. With no real reason to trade insults, Daniel's audience was subdued, apathetic and impartial. Some studied, others ate lunch, most wore smiles of incredulity and many shook their heads in disbelief. That night, I was forwarded Daniel's post concerning the day's events, and was filled with an unsettling feeling of perplexity. Daniel's post, titled 'I Can't Believe what Happened!' spoke of
an event of revival-like proportions: 'The crowd became very soberyou couldhear a pin drop, every eye focused on me and the Holy Spirit began to increase greatly The whole crowd of between 50-60 students were fixated on my words, and a hush settled over the entire campus. It felt as if we were inside a holy sanctuary.' Had I missed something? Whereas I saw indifference and apathy, Daniel saw reverence and revival. Where Daniel saw still, holy silence, I merely saw a crowd with no reason to get angry.

At this point I was extremely interested in seeing what sort of synagogue invited a man like Daniel into its fold, and so inquired for directions and service times to 'Lion of Judah,' one of the few Messianic Jewish congregations in Portland, Oregon. Daniel's response was a bit enigmatic, pressing the need to give me clear directions, then failing to give me directions at all. Two days later I saw this posted on his website:

Dear all,
Let it be known in public this day, 4/22/09, even the 27th of Aviv, on this 11th Omer -- the 4th day of the week --
Even though Jesus Christ of Nazareth used Derek's evil and wicked choices for the good, in that now that Rabbi Warren has cast me out of the synagogue, I have now found a much bigger and better Messianic Jewish congregation, led by a group of Godly elders and an awesome teacher Rabbi who is much more righteous than Warren Dean -- even though Yah used Derek's evil choices to produce this GOOD in my life --
Derek Alan Lee poisoned Rabbi Warren with lies against me, and caused Rabbi Warren to cast me out of the Lion of Judah synagogue.

Apparently, Derek Lee was a defiler of temples, a modern-day antichrist, and so on and so forth. I had no idea who Derek Lee was, but suspected that this accusation, given Daniel's behavior thus far, may have been a bit inflated. A simple Google search led to a trove of similar posts of almost disturbing proportions. Daniel often entered diplomatic, discussion-based Christian forums, and lit them up with forceful and demeaning posts, relegating all who disagreed to lives of wickedness and sin, and sharing his prayer that he may be able to 'smite all Torah breakers to the dust' and 'wash in their blood.' All appeals to peacefulness were met with aggressive, CAPS LOCKED rebukes, and, judging from the quantity and time of postings, there had been many, many sleepless nights.

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Daniel was born in a small town in Texas, and some twenty years later, met his wife-to-be in an internet chat room. Soon after, they eloped, and Daniel found himself enrolled at GutenbergCollege in Eugene, Oregon. It's not at all surprising he left Texas. His family's church, the church he had grown up in, was recovering from a rift of epic proportions. Ken Jones, a preacher bordering on cult leader, stormed into Leander with the bravado of an Old West gunslinger and ripped Daniel's congregation apart. With accusations, condemnations, and near-harassment, Jones made it his mission to reveal any and all imperfections lurking within Trinity Christian Center, insisting members come forward during services and loudly confess their sins, however awkward or embarrassing they may be (masturbation, for instance). Apparently, Daniel didn't make the cut, and despite his insistence that Ken Jones was, indeed, sinless and free from all moral blame, was 'cast out' of
the church he had belonged to for eighteen years.

It's curious as to how much of an effect Ken Jones had on the formulation of Daniel's own theology. While they both retain similar perspectives on the nature of sin (I am perfect, you are not), Daniel has divorced from his former hero, holding the Torah above Christ and himself above Ken Jones. Mr. Jones had choice words for Daniel's change of heart: I, J. K. Jones, want to set the record straight: Patrick Johnston and Brother Jed Smock are absolutely correct in their round condemnation of your perversion of Christianity in teaching that our obligation extends to all of the law of Moses. This is false doctrine. End of debate! It seems then, that in the respective theologies of Daniel and Ken, there is no room for cooperation. Both are sinless. Both are perfect. Both are going to hell.

The consequences of divisiveness are an ever-present reality in Daniel's life. At just thirty years old, he is engaged in a legal battle with Annika for full custody of six children, all under the age of eight, all named after various men and women of the Old Testament. By his own admission, or should I say boast, Daniel has been thrown in jail several times, has been physically assaulted, has been kicked out of churches, community groups and synagogues, has been brought before two judges, has received numerous, hateful e-mails from proponents of every denomination, faith and belief, and perhaps most tragically, has been estranged from his own mother. While some may be tempted to reevaluate their tactics in light of such pain and conflict, Daniel is undaunted:

So, I can say without a doubt, that whatever I am doing, it certainly must be effective or else I would not be causing so many religious devils to rise up against me.

I take this as a big encouragement.

Within the normally passive confines of the park blocks, Christians often quote scripture at Daniel. They vainly appeal to whatever trace of affability still exists in him, trying to make him understand that salvation does not lie in blue fringes and New Moon festivals, that crying 'faggots are fit to be burned' to a group of impressionable college students is the most effective way to alienate your entire listening audience. But given the circumstances, I fear they may be wasting words, and worse, they may be encouraging Daniel to even more aggressively press forward towards the culmination of his 'Great Portland Revival,' a revival that simply does not exist. The truth is, Daniel has been diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and given this knowledge, I often wonder who Daniel truly hopes to exalt during his sermons. Does Christ compel him to endure such negative repercussions? Or is it rather a need for attention? A need that resounds so
forcefully that the collective anger of a crowd is preferable to insignificance? No matter how much one may beg, plead, rebuke or coerce, a person so hopelessly assured of their own self-importance, so bound by the ritual and legality of law will only hear the inane and uneducated babblings of one in league with the Devil, of one fast approaching the lake of fire.

But I have to believe that somewhere beneath all those layers of judgment, accusation and paranoia, a good man still exists. There are those moments, rare as they may be, when the condemner in Daniel abates, when for one singular, marginally divine moment, a flash of true compassion appears in those intense, sky-blue eyes, and I see not Daniel the divider, but Daniel the father, husband and son. The true tragedy of this story is that Daniel, in the name of a man of peace, has sown enough dissension to thoroughly relinquish his claim to those labels; to be barred from the enormous value inherent in those roles.

Like the rising tides of a waxing crescent, Daniel's fervor for spirituality rhythmically explodes at certain intervals, and as the luminosity of a full moon eventually turns to black, so too will Daniel's zeal. A pattern that has occurred and reoccurred in his life will again become painfully apparent. Daniel will convince himself of a glaring, personal failure, will fall into depression, will live in sin, will have a poignant experience with God, will be reborn, and will again live a life of blamelessness and moral perfection; that is, until he sins again. The problem with a doctrine of sinlessness is that eventually, the inevitable truth will rear its ugly head, and one will be faced with a horrible choice: either accept your imperfection, or deny its existence.

Repent Daniel I do this out of hope that you will see

Yeshua ate with sinner and drank wine he love them, you hate them, and you yourself can't keep Torah
I've seen the Daniel that was broken and that's the Daniel that could be.

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Posted by Halacha on [05 May 2009 05:48AM]
In Reply to: Daniel 5:20 Narcissistic Personality Disorder posted by Rodney Timmons on [03 May 2009 07:30PM]

From the DSM-IV, page 661.

'Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is 'special' and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes'

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Posted by Dave Bronstein on [03 May 2009 07:57PM]
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dave_bronstein@yahoo.com Notify me about Responses? (yes)

Didn't think Lee would allow a psychiatric evaluation. Hope the authorities are aware of his mental aberration and its ripple effects. Any new girl (Wife #2) should be made completely aware of this man's background.
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Posted by anon on [04 May 2009 06:59AM]
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he was required by the state.
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Posted by Daniel John Lee on [03 May 2009 07:56PM]
In Reply to: Daniel 5:20 Narcissistic Personality Disorder posted by Rodney Timmons on [03 May 2009 07:30PM]
firebrand4@hotmail.com Notify me about Responses? (yes)

According to the very psychologist that DHS appointed over me, Vanda told the court last Wednesday, that I DO NOT have a narcisstiic personality disorder.

Furthermore, the author of this article is lying. He himself sent me a personal email telling me how awesomely effective I was on the day he says I was delusional, and said he was 'impressed by the crowd's reaction.'

So, this author is a liar, Rodney.

Rodney, you really do love plunging head long into hellfire, don't you?

Yah rebuke you, you fallen devil, for I will not.

Love,
Apostle Prophet Sinless and Revival Fire filled
Daniel Lee

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Posted by Halacha on [04 May 2009 09:45AM]
In Reply to: Narcissistic Personality Disorder is REPEALED posted by Daniel John Lee on [03 May 2009 07:56PM]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder cannot be 'repealed'. Repealed has to do with legislation and laws, not mental illnesses.

Gee, I see you haven't changed a bit, Daniel. That's too bad. I would have thought the past two years would have made you change a little bit.

Kay

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